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Post by rawchez on Dec 22, 2016 7:31:11 GMT -5
Guys - mud slinging and and an on-line pissing match is not going to solve any problems and will likely create more. As dand and Rob Nicol have eluded to: you have to approach the proper level of government. If it is a by-law, talk to the town, if it is a provincial matter maybe the MNR. In this case, I showed that perhaps the the Nav. Protection Act could help removal of the fountain and for that, you have to deal with the Feds, i.e., Transport Canada. Approaching the town about the fountain under Nav Protection would be like asking Rob Nicol if he could look into increasing the daily limit of perch in the bay - not gonna happen, not his jurisdiction, so don't even go there. NOW, it would be nice, but not necessary to have support for other levels of government, but looks like that ship has sailed. I suggest folks cool it on this thread and lets talk to Transport Canada. I'll get back to you.
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Post by fish4ever on Dec 22, 2016 7:31:22 GMT -5
Let get one thing clear MR ROB I am not looking to go have an agreement with mister FOUNTIAN man I am a family man that love to enjoy the lake with his family. I have NO INTENTION to go over to his house on you can read and understand English I want to fish right by his pumps with the other members on the board and have a fish fry. So let's get one thing clear I WILL NEVER GO DiREClY to his house just on the lake by his pump. By the way if you care for the people and fisherman from GIlford you would have put a stop to this. Like I said before most politicians promise you the your for your vote and then they became useless once they are in power.
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Post by patriley on Dec 22, 2016 8:16:43 GMT -5
Lol rob nichol the councillor of inisfill chirping away on the internet again, hahaha what a joke. You'd think this guy sitting up on his high horse would have better things to do, like idk maybe ensuring the people of inisfill and it's tourists can access its main attraction. To it's township without being put in danger or harassed.
Pretty pathetic if you ask me
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Post by fish4ever on Dec 22, 2016 8:20:11 GMT -5
You know who they needed up ther to get the job done former mayor of Toronto ROB FORD. We may need to call his brother DOUG FORD now. He need to come up and clean house just like his late brother did at city hall .
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Post by coreyd on Dec 22, 2016 8:31:21 GMT -5
Mr. Nicol,
For full disclosure I am not a resident of Innisfil. I am however a visitor or maybe tourist if you want to look at it that way. I come up several times a year to fish. I also spend money at variety stores, restaurants and other business's while I am there.
At this point the concerns brought up, whatever the original reasoning was, has been acknowledged by you. While the jurisdiction of the laws being broken by the owner of this fountain may not fall under municipal law, you have clearly shown awareness to the issue. If at some point there is a safety related incident around this fountain it wouldn't be unreasonable that the town will be named as you have acknowledged this issue exists.
I generally go out with operators but if I were to venture out on my own and fall in where this is you can bet you last penny that I would drain every reserve account the town has as part of my legal action.
It might not be a bad idea to weigh the potential cost of someone going through the ice close to this fountain versus asking the single resident to remove the hazard to public safety.
Regards,
Corey
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Post by seahawk on Dec 22, 2016 9:19:13 GMT -5
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Post by peter on Dec 22, 2016 9:42:03 GMT -5
Not from Rob but was expected . FW: Email MW Maureen Wester Thu 2016-12-22 8:55 AM Inbox To: [email protected]; Cc: Rob Nicol ( [email protected]); Hi Peter. Happy Holidays to you and your family! Thank you for taking time to provide your email addressed to Rob Nicol. Mr. Nicol has forwarded the email to me for a response and I am pleased to handle this inquiry for you. You may recall from previous years that inquiries, phone calls, emails and mail are logged at customer service first to ensure there is a complete record on file. Are you able to help me do this by providing me with a bit more information? I see quotes from an Act but I am unsure what this pertains to. Additional information is needed to move forward with your inquiry. I look forward to hearing from you. Have a wonderful day, Peter. Best regards. Maureen Wester Maureen Wester Customer Service Representative |
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Post by robg on Dec 22, 2016 10:19:16 GMT -5
Well, I see that this just continues to escalate; clearly some of you are just not reading nor understanding the intent of my engaging you through this venue. Just like last year, the legislation that you are trying to manipulate to fight one resident and their backyard activities is not within the town’s jurisdiction which should be evident especially when you continue to look at federal or provincial statutes. But, as a local I will look to respond and reply to your chirps until they are no longer respectful. With that being said, Seahawk, if you could, just take the time and try to spell my name right just once I think that would be great and if to you this website is just a place to rant... no problem I will stop replying to all of you. I never said that this was a hassle and quite frankly this is not a job, it is more of a community volunteer position that I take very seriously. Newby007, again I think all of you are just looking for a fight anywhere, all I wanted to convey is that the stuff you wrote and has been published is not “freedom of speech”, it is Defamation an Libel, because you imply that I am corrupt, which is untrue and unfounded. Unlike all of you, I sign in with my full name and don’t hide behind any pseudonyms but, if you continue to write such untruths I may choose to exercise my legal options. Karl, keep on the councillor? If you are a local tax paying resident by all means keep on it, otherwise please visit and enjoy our community and leave it better than when you came as any true recreational fishermen should. RobG, again since you too hide behind a pseudonym but, I do know that you reside in Alcona, if you would like to provide me your contact info (phone number, address...whatever) I will gladly come right to your home to address your comments tomorrow. Please let me know what time works best for you to expand on what reason I have to be ashamed. Lastly, for today anyways, fish4ever, if you took the time to read what I believed was my thoughtful and complete message above you would have found my email address quite easily. Unless I’m misunderstanding what I have written I can’t figure out what you think that I am doing is “total wrong” unless stating facts is wrong? As for paying me a visit, you might want to make an appointment as I don’t and honestly not much of this area really does appreciate and frankly I don’t know if it is appropriate for anyone just wandering on to private property unannounced. Just to be sure though I think I might send your message off to South Simcoe Police to ensure that this wouldn’t be considered some kind of threat though... Have a great night gentlemen try to enjoy some fishing and if you all want to be respectful and civil I will continue to respond otherwise, I think that we have concluded our broadcast day. check your private messages |
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Post by manvillen on Dec 22, 2016 10:23:30 GMT -5
Fishing brothers,
Please don't unload lead my way. Just stating a possible point of view to approach this sensitive situation.
From my experience, the approach used to voice our concerns, is the key to success.
Using our chat tools like Cbfb, for broadcasting our needs is inefficient. And makes some of us locals look like hams online(even tho they are masters at the art of fishing).
Guys, let's be smart regarding our opinion. A good opinion is comparable to a honey hole. We don't blab about where our gold mine are located.
If everyone approached this possible threat of a water pump more respectfully and with willingness to listen, I bet this wouldn't be a yearly confrontation. I'm sure some senior member could have a mediated meeting with counsel and iron out an action plan.
Willing to work with the problem, could be solution we are looking for.
I have been a quiet local for years, lose lips sink many ship.
Thanks again
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Post by thickice on Dec 22, 2016 10:42:19 GMT -5
Good evening gentlemen, it appears that you guys are all fired up again for some reason. Since nothing has officially come to my attention through the proper channels except for something from customer service with part of the Navigation Protection Act submitted by Peter for me or some form of the spelling of my last name... I thought I would reach out to you all on Peter’s site to see what all the commotion, allegations and accusations are in regards to? As the title of this discussion is “fountain” I’m guessing that you are concerned about that again even though we barely have enough ice for anything yet. If any of you are taxpaying residents of the Town of Innisfil and have any constructive suggestions, concerns or questions, I am more than happy to address them in a mutually respectful way. Unfortunately, there appear to be too many “keyboard heroes” who hide behind their monitors and have no fear and frankly no respect with the rhetoric they type or the implications of it. I had already confronted Peter and Mickey personally at their door last season and instructed them, “If you have an issue, speak to me personally don’t just chirp off”. So, again I offer, if you have legitimate issues that are within the town’s jurisdiction I will try to assist. But, if you keep grasping at straws to find some form of legislation to continue this, clearly I am not able to help. So what I will try not to do is to jump to any hasty generalizations either but, as I know many of you are American tourists who are known for their propensity for legal action, I thought it would be appropriate to provide some of Ontario’s laws with regards to the allegations I read in this post. Defamation & Libel in Ontario; The act of harming the reputation of another by making a false statement to a third person…A false written or oral statement that damages another's reputation. More specifically, a defamatory statement is defined as: A statement that tends to injure the reputation of a person referred to in it. So, to try and address your individual comments and if I missed one let me know... Newby007 You and everyone here can all be assured that I am not a “corrupt politician” for more than a few reasons that I would be more than happy to elaborate on if you wish but please read the defamation & libel passage above before you write such unfounded statements again, wishinIwasfishin, “Despise” is a pretty strong word for someone who has never met me, sorry to hear that but again I can take constructive criticism if needed and would be happy to meet to better understand the Innisfil resident’s concerns, RobG, sorry to lose you vote and truthfully, I didn’t know that I was backed by CBFB because I ran on my own merits but, just as last year, if the town had jurisdiction where I or we could address your concerns then I or we would do that. Lastly as I really don’t monitor this or many other sites regularly, if you truly have issues that you would like me to help address I can be reached officially by email at [email protected]Have a great season, pick up your trash, use our new receptacles, watch where you park since we have changed the fines and towing protocol and just stay warm, dry and safe. Thanks Rob Nicol Good morning Mr, Nicol Please go to the police. When you are there tell them to go and arrest pumpmam. |
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Post by ScubaSteve on Dec 22, 2016 11:17:46 GMT -5
Good evening gentlemen, it appears that you guys are all fired up again for some reason. Since nothing has officially come to my attention through the proper channels except for something from customer service with part of the Navigation Protection Act submitted by Peter for me or some form of the spelling of my last name... I thought I would reach out to you all on Peter’s site to see what all the commotion, allegations and accusations are in regards to? As the title of this discussion is “fountain” I’m guessing that you are concerned about that again even though we barely have enough ice for anything yet. If any of you are taxpaying residents of the Town of Innisfil and have any constructive suggestions, concerns or questions, I am more than happy to address them in a mutually respectful way. Unfortunately, there appear to be too many “keyboard heroes” who hide behind their monitors and have no fear and frankly no respect with the rhetoric they type or the implications of it. I had already confronted Peter and Mickey personally at their door last season and instructed them, “If you have an issue, speak to me personally don’t just chirp off”. So, again I offer, if you have legitimate issues that are within the town’s jurisdiction I will try to assist. But, if you keep grasping at straws to find some form of legislation to continue this, clearly I am not able to help. So what I will try not to do is to jump to any hasty generalizations either but, as I know many of you are American tourists who are known for their propensity for legal action, I thought it would be appropriate to provide some of Ontario’s laws with regards to the allegations I read in this post. Defamation & Libel in Ontario; The act of harming the reputation of another by making a false statement to a third person…A false written or oral statement that damages another's reputation. More specifically, a defamatory statement is defined as: A statement that tends to injure the reputation of a person referred to in it. So, to try and address your individual comments and if I missed one let me know... Newby007 You and everyone here can all be assured that I am not a “corrupt politician” for more than a few reasons that I would be more than happy to elaborate on if you wish but please read the defamation & libel passage above before you write such unfounded statements again, wishinIwasfishin, “Despise” is a pretty strong word for someone who has never met me, sorry to hear that but again I can take constructive criticism if needed and would be happy to meet to better understand the Innisfil resident’s concerns, RobG, sorry to lose you vote and truthfully, I didn’t know that I was backed by CBFB because I ran on my own merits but, just as last year, if the town had jurisdiction where I or we could address your concerns then I or we would do that. Lastly as I really don’t monitor this or many other sites regularly, if you truly have issues that you would like me to help address I can be reached officially by email at [email protected]Have a great season, pick up your trash, use our new receptacles, watch where you park since we have changed the fines and towing protocol and just stay warm, dry and safe. Thanks Rob Nicol Dude, people bring there young kids ice fishing on Cooks Bay. If you have ever been out there and seen all the "tourists" out there not just from America but all over Ontario, you would understand that this is a family oriented destination, like a recreational playground for icefishing. If someone was to dig a deadfall pit in a public park next to a playground would you just shrug it off and say they are within their rights, that is exactly what you are doing here. "if you have legitimate issues that are within the town’s jurisdiction I will try to assist. But, if you keep grasping at straws to find some form of legislation to continue this, clearly I am not able to help." laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-263.htmlDuty to safeguard opening in ice 263 (1) Every one who makes or causes to be made an opening in ice that is open to or frequented by the public is under a legal duty to guard it in a manner that is adequate to prevent persons from falling in by accident and is adequate to warn them that the opening exists. Marginal note:Excavation on land (2) Every one who leaves an excavation on land that he owns or of which he has charge or supervision is under a legal duty to guard it in a manner that is adequate to prevent persons from falling in by accident and is adequate to warn them that the excavation exists. Marginal note:Offences (3) Every one who fails to perform a duty imposed by subsection (1) or (2) is guilty of (a) manslaughter, if the death of any person results therefrom; (b) an offence under section 269, if bodily harm to any person results therefrom; or (c) an offence punishable on summary conviction. R.S., c. C-34, s. 242; 1980-81-82-83, c. 125, s. 18. ........P.S. I am not a town resident so I will continue to "chirp". |
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Post by ScubaSteve on Dec 22, 2016 11:21:51 GMT -5
And just to add if someone does go through the ice, who is responsible for paying for the $20,000 OPP rescue, Medical bills, and lost wages for the rest of that persons life. I can tell you it wont be the victim, it will either be the City or pumpman.
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Post by piercer on Dec 22, 2016 12:02:13 GMT -5
Maybe if there was more garbage cans there wouldnt be litter on the ground and did anyone even look at a compromise this isn't going away just a bunch of arrogant political statements and just like most answers if someone gets hurt then it will be fixed I have a feeling some politicians are like ostriches stick there heads in the ground when somethings wrong but in this case I think some of them have stuck their heads in the wrong hole and cant get out like the cowards they all are! And!!!!! to all the wonderful people from far and wide I hope these things don't deter your visits here because certain people have there heads up their butts and cant hear a word anyone says!!!
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Post by wishinlwasfishin on Dec 22, 2016 12:10:50 GMT -5
Wow Nichol. You make fun of people and their capabilities in understanding what you wrote but did you understand what I wrote? In your letter you state how can I write I despise you when clearly in my statement that I have FAMILY AND FRIENDS that despise you. I agree in the sense you can't despise someone you have never met but your pushing the right buttons for it to begin
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Post by fishingst on Dec 22, 2016 15:58:10 GMT -5
Good evening gentlemen, it appears that you guys are all fired up again for some reason. Since nothing has officially come to my attention through the proper channels except for something from customer service with part of the Navigation Protection Act submitted by Peter for me or some form of the spelling of my last name... I thought I would reach out to you all on Peter’s site to see what all the commotion, allegations and accusations are in regards to? As the title of this discussion is “fountain” I’m guessing that you are concerned about that again even though we barely have enough ice for anything yet. If any of you are taxpaying residents of the Town of Innisfil and have any constructive suggestions, concerns or questions, I am more than happy to address them in a mutually respectful way. Unfortunately, there appear to be too many “keyboard heroes” who hide behind their monitors and have no fear and frankly no respect with the rhetoric they type or the implications of it. I had already confronted Peter and Mickey personally at their door last season and instructed them, “If you have an issue, speak to me personally don’t just chirp off”. So, again I offer, if you have legitimate issues that are within the town’s jurisdiction I will try to assist. But, if you keep grasping at straws to find some form of legislation to continue this, clearly I am not able to help. So what I will try not to do is to jump to any hasty generalizations either but, as I know many of you are American tourists who are known for their propensity for legal action, I thought it would be appropriate to provide some of Ontario’s laws with regards to the allegations I read in this post. Defamation & Libel in Ontario; The act of harming the reputation of another by making a false statement to a third person…A false written or oral statement that damages another's reputation. More specifically, a defamatory statement is defined as: A statement that tends to injure the reputation of a person referred to in it. So, to try and address your individual comments and if I missed one let me know... Newby007 You and everyone here can all be assured that I am not a “corrupt politician” for more than a few reasons that I would be more than happy to elaborate on if you wish but please read the defamation & libel passage above before you write such unfounded statements again, wishinIwasfishin, “Despise” is a pretty strong word for someone who has never met me, sorry to hear that but again I can take constructive criticism if needed and would be happy to meet to better understand the Innisfil resident’s concerns, RobG, sorry to lose you vote and truthfully, I didn’t know that I was backed by CBFB because I ran on my own merits but, just as last year, if the town had jurisdiction where I or we could address your concerns then I or we would do that. Lastly as I really don’t monitor this or many other sites regularly, if you truly have issues that you would like me to help address I can be reached officially by email at [email protected]Have a great season, pick up your trash, use our new receptacles, watch where you park since we have changed the fines and towing protocol and just stay warm, dry and safe. Thanks Rob Nicol WOW, what a POS this guy is. |
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Post by buckhorn on Dec 22, 2016 18:34:06 GMT -5
Wow, this thread is a perfect example of two sides yelling and nobody listening! Fisherman, if you want this pump to be removed, start by not insulting the authorities that may be able to help, and for God's sake, have the smallest amount of respect and spell his name correctly - NICOL, not Nickol, or Nickel, etc. Take 5 seconds and look over your post before pressing send! Name calling should be left on the grade 2 playground! Many of you have done homework and provided quotes on laws, statutes, etc. that sound relevant, but need clarification and direction from the very authorities you are insulting.
For Mr. Nicol, it must be clear to you that there are a lot of people who are extremely upset about this issue, and as a representative for the people, surely you could make a phone call, send an email, or at the very least provide some indication that you have forwarded the issue to someone (anyone) else who is more qualified or is in a better position to handle the situation. You must also realize, that without direction, people who feel that they have no voice in the government more often than not will decide to take matters into their own hands, and that rarely ends well!
I am a fisherman who would love to experience cook's bay ice, but I have to say, it is this hot headed forum thread (not the pumps themselves) that is keeping me - and my money, away from Gilford Rd. I will go to Keswick, Beaverton, or Scugog, or North Bay to avoid this circus.
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Post by fish4ever on Dec 22, 2016 19:09:09 GMT -5
I guess Rob Nicole true colours come out finally. He like the big fat pay and benefits from his title but doesn't want to work for the people. Mr Rob Nicole you should have taken some lessons from former mayor ROB FORD and work for the people of your community. Stand up for your people.
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Post by seahawk on Dec 22, 2016 19:30:55 GMT -5
Buckhorn read the link I posted from last year. U get the respect that u give.
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Post by seahawk on Dec 22, 2016 19:39:02 GMT -5
An email I received from him last year tells me I should not be concerned as I'm not a resident n theres a buffer zone on cooks bay lake front properties therefore there's nothing he can do, basically saying u shouldn't be on the ice around the pump
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Post by Donny on Dec 22, 2016 22:13:07 GMT -5
An email I received from him last year tells me I should not be concerned as I'm not a resident n theres a buffer zone on cooks bay lake front properties therefore there's nothing he can do, basically saying u shouldn't be on the ice around the pump Can you elaborate on the buffer zone? Shore is innisfil. Lake is crown. What information do you have, or were given in regards to "buffer zone"? |
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