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Post by chugbug on Dec 22, 2016 22:59:24 GMT -5
maps.simcoe.ca is where they were guided to find "buffer zone" info!
Seahawks post #26 in this thread has a link to January's talks on this topic. Deep into that thread is where the "buffer zone" is mentioned.
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Post by harryb on Dec 23, 2016 8:18:17 GMT -5
I have no knowledge of a "Buffer Zone" in any lake in Canada.
It is my understanding that ownership of Lakefront Property extends to the Low Water Line.
There are a few snowflakes out there that think by purchasing Lakefront Property, they indeed "own" the Lake. The world is full of crazies.........
As to the on going situation with "Pumpman" I would think you need to contact the Federal Member of Parliament for that County. Township and Provincial Gov people have little jurisdiction to authorize pump removal. At best, the Fed's may demand he ring caution tape around the pump's disposal area. I doubt pumpman would enjoy looking at Caution Tape through the windows of his home. His invited guest's over the winter would surely deem him "nuts" unless they 2 are "snowflakes".
Take it easy boy's and girl's. The Township Councillor seems sincere but he knows he nor the township cannot enforce removal. They have NO Jurisdiction. Winning this beef is all uphill. Been there done that.
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Post by thickice on Dec 23, 2016 10:06:20 GMT -5
If pumpman is breaking the law, if every time someone arrived at the Gilford Rd. access they called the police to report pumpman was breaking the law would the police not do something?
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Post by seahawk on Dec 23, 2016 10:12:27 GMT -5
An email I received from him last year tells me I should not be concerned as I'm not a resident n theres a buffer zone on cooks bay lake front properties therefore there's nothing he can do, basically saying u shouldn't be on the ice around the pump Can you elaborate on the buffer zone? Shore is innisfil. Lake is crown. What information do you have, or were given in regards to "buffer zone"? . Couldn't find my email but here's one similar off the board I got response back from one of the council members, take for what its wort but basically it was a middle finger to sportsmen. Good morning Darrel, after reviewing your email concerns/complaints and checking our Town By laws as well as Provincial legislation, the area and residential property you have referred to is not breaking any of our laws. There are no rules regarding bubblers or the like and truthfully if you check out maps.simcoe.ca you will see that the entire area in question shows a shoreline buffer zone in which you should not be interfering with anyways. It is unfortunate that your fellow ice fishermen have not shown the same respect or courtesy to our existing tax paying residents as they had in the past and truthfully, no one has a given right to access the lake through the Town of Innisfil’s road ends. This is a courtesy that we have provided to this point which I think may need to be revisited as these incidents escalate. Additionally no one has a given right to park on the ice accessed from our road ends either. The Fish & Wildlife Act that has been referenced in the numerous emails received yesterday loosely touches on “obstruction” which I would suggest would be very difficult to prove whether a resident is just protecting their shore line, rink or whatever but if you feel the need, you are more than welcome to pursue this further through that agency as is not in our jurisdiction. As for those who are considering accessing the lake from our neighboring communities, that is your prerogative and until we have additional amenities including extra hotel rooms, restaurants and such to fully service those coming through our town it is understandable. Thanks Rob Nicol Rob Nicol Councillor, Ward 7 416-254-5113 (cell) 705-456-1874 (home) 705-436-3740 Ext 1117 (voice mail) 1-888-436-3710 (toll free) [email protected]Read more: cooksbayfishingboard.com/thread/10689/water-on-ice?page=3#ixzz4TfroCZbh
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Post by fishingst on Dec 23, 2016 12:19:14 GMT -5
Can you elaborate on the buffer zone? Shore is innisfil. Lake is crown. What information do you have, or were given in regards to "buffer zone"? . Couldn't find my email but here's one similar off the board I got response back from one of the council members, take for what its wort but basically it was a middle finger to sportsmen. Good morning Darrel, after reviewing your email concerns/complaints and checking our Town By laws as well as Provincial legislation, the area and residential property you have referred to is not breaking any of our laws. There are no rules regarding bubblers or the like and truthfully if you check out maps.simcoe.ca you will see that the entire area in question shows a shoreline buffer zone in which you should not be interfering with anyways. It is unfortunate that your fellow ice fishermen have not shown the same respect or courtesy to our existing tax paying residents as they had in the past and truthfully, no one has a given right to access the lake through the Town of Innisfil’s road ends. This is a courtesy that we have provided to this point which I think may need to be revisited as these incidents escalate. Additionally no one has a given right to park on the ice accessed from our road ends either. The Fish & Wildlife Act that has been referenced in the numerous emails received yesterday loosely touches on “obstruction” which I would suggest would be very difficult to prove whether a resident is just protecting their shore line, rink or whatever but if you feel the need, you are more than welcome to pursue this further through that agency as is not in our jurisdiction. As for those who are considering accessing the lake from our neighboring communities, that is your prerogative and until we have additional amenities including extra hotel rooms, restaurants and such to fully service those coming through our town it is understandable. Thanks Rob Nicol Rob Nicol Councillor, Ward 7 416-254-5113 (cell) 705-456-1874 (home) 705-436-3740 Ext 1117 (voice mail) 1-888-436-3710 (toll free) [email protected]Read more: cooksbayfishingboard.com/thread/10689/water-on-ice?page=3#ixzz4TfroCZbhYep this guy's a real POS. Someone mentioned contacting the federal minister of parliment for the area. Well, if this nicol guy was actually doing his job for the people, he would contact the fed, not just hurl pathetically-masked insults.
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Post by brotherofpeter on Dec 23, 2016 12:28:25 GMT -5
The Players. The pump man's name is Arnoldo Macile He is a convicted drug trafficker that dumps garbage at the beach. His aliases are Rolando, Arnold, Renaldo, girl thingy and Arrnie Maciel . He is a small little man, tattooed head to toe and probably on steroids with a small dick. His wife is reading this post to him because he is illiterate. Hi Arnoldo. Small dick, big ass hole. Big ass hole for picking up soap in the penitentiary. Ha ha. Yes, all our posts are read to him. The pump man enjoys the drama he causes by sabotaging the shoreline at the end of Gilford Rd. He gets a kick out of it. Sad life. Soon, someone will get hurt I told the police who came to my door last night. The pump man already assaulted my 80 year old mother I said. Yes Arnoldo sent the police to my door for the tenth time. Supposedly, Arnoldo is afraid of the CBFB this time. I'm sure he will call the cops again or slash tires again or break my window again. What a girl thingy. Next door to the pump man is the Spinster, Arnoldo's girlfriend. Her name is Laurie, over 50, homely looking. She runs around with a video camera looking for action then calls the cops if you look at her funny. Stay away from her. She is crazy. As to Counselor Rob Nicole. He told me last year, "We do not pay taxes" what a guy. So forget about him. He won't be reelected anyway. The last player is Jack the local drunk. He is Arnoldos pregnant dog. He hangs around the shoeline and reports to Arnoldo as a stooge. He is drunk at 7:00am and will call the police if he doesn't like you. Jack runs a competing website and will do anything to get noticed. So, what does all this mean. Gentlemen, Ice fishermen, direct your comments on the sabotage of the shoreline to Lynn Dollin, Deputy Mayor. She knows the story. Get her involved. Put the pressure on her. Email: [email protected] Phone: 705-627-9023 (cell) 705-458-9023 (home) 705-436-3740 Ext. 1102 Good luck to all and have a good ho ho hole. Mickey. Brother of Peter.
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Post by mac on Dec 23, 2016 13:16:09 GMT -5
 Very nice Mickey!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 13:16:29 GMT -5
So the tattooed rat on steroids has two underling rats . Interesting .
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Post by fishingst on Dec 23, 2016 14:01:15 GMT -5
The Players. The pump man's name is Arnoldo Macile He is a convicted drug trafficker that dumps garbage at the beach. His aliases are Rolando, Arnold, Renaldo, girl thingy and Arrnie Maciel . He is a small little man, tattooed head to toe and probably on steroids with a small dick. His wife is reading this post to him because he is illiterate. Hi Arnoldo. Small dick, big ass hole. Big ass hole for picking up soap in the penitentiary. Ha ha. Yes, all our posts are read to him. The pump man enjoys the drama he causes by sabotaging the shoreline at the end of Gilford Rd. He gets a kick out of it. Sad life. Soon, someone will get hurt I told the police who came to my door last night. The pump man already assaulted my 80 year old mother I said. Yes Arnoldo sent the police to my door for the tenth time. Supposedly, Arnoldo is afraid of the CBFB this time. I'm sure he will call the cops again or slash tires again or break my window again. What a girl thingy. Next door to the pump man is the Spinster, Arnoldo's girlfriend. Her name is Laurie, over 50, homely looking. She runs around with a video camera looking for action then calls the cops if you look at her funny. Stay away from her. She is crazy. As to Counselor Rob Nicole. He told me last year, "We do not pay taxes" what a guy. So forget about him. He won't be reelected anyway. The last player is Jack the local drunk. He is Arnoldos pregnant dog. He hangs around the shoeline and reports to Arnoldo as a stooge. He is drunk at 7:00am and will call the police if he doesn't like you. Jack runs a competing website and will do anything to get noticed. So, what does all this mean. Gentlemen, Ice fishermen, direct your comments on the sabotage of the shoreline to Lynn Dollin, Deputy Mayor. She knows the story. Get her involved. Put the pressure on her. Email: [email protected] Phone: 705-627-9023 (cell) 705-458-9023 (home) 705-436-3740 Ext. 1102 Good luck to all and have a good ho ho hole. Mickey. Brother of Peter. Looks like the makings of a good 'ole Canadian TV show on CBC.
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Post by harryb on Dec 24, 2016 6:49:55 GMT -5
The following was taken from my notes of a few years ago. Not certain of where this information originated from so no references are made.
As you read this you can see there is really No real application of BUFFER ZONE imho.
In the 1800's surveys were done and road allowances of I believe 66 feet were added to the final resultant survey to accommodate logging roads along said shoreline. NOTE: (The councilor may be referring to this as the Buffer Zone. I don't know.)
In Ontario, the relevant legislation is The Bed of Navigable Waters Act of 1911. This act enforced the crown bed of navigable waters as a provincial jurisdiction, but it was not clear how far that bed extended. In 1940, the provincial government amended the act to specifically describe the upper limit as being the high-water mark, but this amendment was struck out in 1951.
Some case law preceding the 1940 amendment indicated that the low-water mark was in fact the limit of private property, and there is some opinion today that this is the case. However, the situation is far from clear.
In 1998, the Ministry of Natural Resources issued a policy for its surveyors who were marking out crown land for disposal. The policy stated that they were to measure down to the “water’s edge.”
The “high-water mark” is used only in places where there is artificial flooding (ie. hydroelectric).
But defining “water’s edge” is no mean feat, especially when water levels are constantly rising and falling. The issue of public rights and access to the shoreline is a burning issue in several areas of the province where there are major beaches, and is far from resolved.
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Post by KARL on Dec 24, 2016 11:05:36 GMT -5
Hey guys, since the ice around the fountains and their structures is strong as per Mr. BLUE ICE, I suggest that we use the ice formations as defacto urination stations. What say you?
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Post by peter on Dec 24, 2016 11:45:55 GMT -5
Not a good idea as lets take the high road , time is on our side . happy ho ho .
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Post by KARL on Dec 24, 2016 12:47:46 GMT -5
Not a good idea as lets take the high road , time is on our side . happy ho ho . Oh come on Peter! I thought you would be more fun than that. It's all good. I thought it would be a great way to show solidarity. 
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Post by tiredold on Dec 24, 2016 17:54:36 GMT -5
Something to think about. Obviously the pumps are running on electricity. Are the pumps and the instillation approved and inspected for outdoor and underwater use? I am sure a call the ESA the electrical safety association ( the regulating body) would prove interesting. They have the power to immediately pull his meter if they feel it is an unsafe instillation. There are an endless list of criteria, I believe that one main one is that there must be a disconnect switch in close proximity to the pumps, same as having one right beside your outdoor air conditioner unit. This is so you can shut off power in an emergency or to preform service. Also what is the GFI setup? Hydro works faster than the ministry.
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Post by harryb on Dec 25, 2016 7:35:40 GMT -5
Something to think about. Obviously the pumps are running on electricity. Are the pumps and the instillation approved and inspected for outdoor and underwater use? I am sure a call the ESA the electrical safety association ( the regulating body) would prove interesting. They have the power to immediately pull his meter if they feel it is an unsafe instillation. There are an endless list of criteria, I believe that one main one is that there must be a disconnect switch in close proximity to the pumps, same as having one right beside your outdoor air conditioner unit. This is so you can shut off power in an emergency or to preform service. Also what is the GFI setup? Hydro works faster than the ministry. EXCELLENT IDEA. Do we have any Hydro workers on the board? They would know who to put that call in for immediate assistance. (Sometimes having a name is much better than a general call)
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Post by tiredold on Dec 25, 2016 11:24:39 GMT -5
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Post by tiredold on Dec 25, 2016 11:32:27 GMT -5
Perhaps if several people call, at the very least I think an inspection will have to take place. Could cost several thousand dollars to bring everything up to code. Might be enough to get the pumps off. Not only will a certified electrician have to do the work, but proper underwater cables, weatherproof disconnects, etc. All adds up very fast.
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Post by nickriley0129 on Dec 30, 2016 20:20:06 GMT -5
I think Mr. Nickel is trying to say he can't do anything about it. So I think we should be emailing someone else other than Mr. Knickole, I don't think Mr. Nichole can help. There's got to be someone other than Mr. Nicole that can help us out. Mr. Nichel is a municipal politician maybe we need to talk to a provincial politician. Perhaps Mr. Knichkelle can confirm.
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Post by bentpole on Dec 30, 2016 20:32:39 GMT -5
Blue Ice would know. Time to forget these clowns
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Post by thickice on Jan 24, 2017 11:27:08 GMT -5
here it is bowj
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